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hello and welcome to episode number 60

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of the point of convergence podcast as

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always i am your host exo academian

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when it comes to the so-called ufo

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phenomenon the levels of complexity go

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much deeper than the general public and

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the political and media mainstream

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generally realize

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in other words the conversation that's

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finally being had in those circles

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because of revelations arising primarily

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since 2017

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is still a far cry from the nature of

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the discussion being had by people

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really familiar with the nuances of this

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thorny but enthralling topic

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the first layer is the notion that

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sophisticated alien entities may be in

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our midst supposedly piloting or at

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least controlling even if remotely the

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strangely exotic craft that have been

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regularly spotted buzzing in and around

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our skies

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that part of the conversation is finally

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being had in at least some elements of

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the mainstream the widespread

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acknowledgement of this fact is still a

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long way off

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further inward from that surface layer

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of the proverbial onion

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is discussion regarding how these alien

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others seem to be both contacting and

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ongoingly interacting with human beings

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as we speak and most likely have been

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for as long as our species has been

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around to have such experiences

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another layer deeper from that part of

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the narrative which is already much more

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than the general public and the

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political and media mainstream are

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willing to even discuss

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is a notion even more shocking

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that being that some people are taking a

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proactive role and are reaching out to

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these alien others taking the front foot

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as it were in the contact and

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communication process

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ce5 short for close encounters of the

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fifth kind is a term used to describe a

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certain form of this kind of interaction

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with alien others

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ce5 involves a series of general

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protocols designed to peacefully invite

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contact with sophisticated non-human

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intelligence

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a person may for instance communicate

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via the aid of meditation and directed

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intention a desire to see a craft

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presumed by many if not most to be

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extraterrestrial in origin to show

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itself in a particular place in the sky

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at a particular time

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interestingly while ce5 is the most

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familiar form of proactive human

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initiated contact with apparently

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non-human alien intelligence

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it is not the only method that has and

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astral travel is another form of contact

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slash communication

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communion that is being used to reach

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out and bridge whatever divide separates

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us and them

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of course the fact that astral travel

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seems to after the correct kind of

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training and preparation

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be just as effective in achieving this

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close encounter contact as is ce5

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this only begs the question as to the

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nature of the divide that does actually

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separate us from them

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indeed the fact that we seem to be able

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to travel via consciousness as it were

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without physically going anywhere and

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others but even spend time aboard their

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suggests that the nature of the contact

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or at least some of it is perhaps not

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what many first assume it to be

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and really once you really think about

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it it becomes clear that the

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implications here even call into

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question the very nature of what we call

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without doubt these implications are as

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fascinating as they are mind-bending and

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are without question as simultaneously

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bizarre as they are profound

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and these are the very matters we'll

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in this the 60th episode of the point of

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as i already mentioned in the

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introduction for some people the notion

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that these others are contacting people

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and then apparently taking them from

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their homes and up into their craft is

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already a stretch too far

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the main reason for this lack of belief

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of course is that this is not happening

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to them personally

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they also tend to believe that if such a

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thing were going on we would be hearing

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about it in the mainstream media

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of course this is not how such things

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there is a notion of what we call

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consensus reality and that is not the

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sum total of all that happens but it is

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what the mainstream is willing to

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discuss we should always remember that

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this notion of a consensus reality which

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evolves over time of course

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is as much about a narrative we tell

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ourselves as it is an objective truth

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referencing what's out there

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in fact this notion of an objective

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truth out there as if we're in a

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position to know it to perceive it

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directly to apprehend it is already a

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dicey assumption

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but we'll save a deep dive into that for

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another time although we will touch on

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it again a little bit later in this

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podcast

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now beyond the notion of these others

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contacting and interacting with us at

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their whim apparently beyond all that is

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this next level notion we discussed in

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that of human beings actually

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proactively reaching out to initiate

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contact and communication with these

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alien others and apparently successfully

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as i said in the introduction this is a

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step even beyond what some who accept

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notion number one they're here and

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notion number two they choose to

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interact with us at their whim

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can handle

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and yet there is a wealth of evidence to

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suggest that these human initiated

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contact events do actually take place

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and that even more interestingly they

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actually work

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in other words when people use directed

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intention and a positive mindset

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to invite the presence of these others

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they do actually often show up

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often at the very time and place

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what people then observe are lights in

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the sky of a non-prosaic nature or what

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looked to be solid craft around the sky

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often doing exactly the maneuvers that

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the people on the ground watching them

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some people will even bring high-powered

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flashlights or lasers to signal these

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craft directly

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fifth kind also known as human initiated

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data as to this point

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it doesn't work all the time it doesn't

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work for everyone but the data clearly

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points to the fact that this does

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actually work and surprisingly often and

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by following this very same protocol

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vast vast majority of these kinds of

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end up being positive encounters

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i know people who've been in these

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circles for decades james ian doley and

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joseph burks being two of them and they

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report overwhelmingly positive

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interactions based on the ce5 or heist

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protocols

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does this mean these particular others

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are of a different nature a different

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origin even perhaps than the others who

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are abducting people from their beds in

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the middle of the night

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there from what we can tell so we should

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at least consider that possibility

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as i've said many times on this podcast

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amongst the totality of the data we

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should look for unique patterns that

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show up that might indicate to us

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specific groups within the totality of

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the ufo phenomenon

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but as i said in the introduction ce5 or

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heise as controversial as it is for some

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is actually not the only form of human

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initiated contact with this apparently

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alien others

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another form that is used by some people

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is what is commonly known as astral

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travel or astral projection

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now what is astral projection

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projection also known as astral travel

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describe an intentional out-of-body

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that assumes the existence of a subtle

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body called an astral body through which

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consciousness can function separately

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from the physical body and travel

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throughout the astral plane

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the idea of astral travel is ancient and

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occurs in multiple cultures

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the modern terminology of astral

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projection was coined and promoted by

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19th century theosophists

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it is sometimes reported in association

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with dreams and forms of meditation

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perceptions similar to descriptions of

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astral projection that were induced

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through various hallucinogenic and

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hypnotic means

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now what we are discussing today is the

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fact that there are individuals who

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employ the techniques of self-hypnosis

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and astral projection to actually

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initiate experiences that result in them

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not just seeing at a distance as it were

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craft or phenomena in their mind's eye

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version of the night sky

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now while that can and does actually

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happen

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some individuals will employ this form

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of protocol so as to astrally travel up

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into the craft of these alien others

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where they then can interact with the

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alien beings aboard those craft

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and specifically we're going to discuss

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the case of one particular individual

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who regularly uses these very techniques

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and successfully so

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now while some skeptics within this

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community might immediately dismiss this

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notion and draw certain conclusions

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about the likely nature of this person

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it should be noted that this person

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actually saw himself as much more of a

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nuts and bolts kind of individual

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and he didn't regard himself as

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particularly spiritual so it's important

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to note that from the outset

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that this is not merely about the

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fanciful imagination of a person who

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already leans in this direction

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interestingly this person decided to

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initiate these kinds of contact

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after having experienced classical

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abduction encounters including one that

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happened with both he and his young

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infant son

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and for the record he saw these

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encounters as absolutely terrifying

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where he experienced all of the standard

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paralysis and ontological shock when

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being suddenly appeared in his room in

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the middle of the night etc

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here is a short bio of the person we're

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going to discuss today his name is peter

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whitley now he has been abducted by

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aliens three times

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and he has astrally traveled to

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unidentified flying objects the craft

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used by these beings apparently

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over 40 times

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now he is originally from the pacific

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northwest region of the united states

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but he is now the national director for

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mufon of japan

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and he's a member of mufon's experiencer

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research team

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so he enjoyed japan after visiting there

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many years and eventually decided to

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move there and become a permanent

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resident

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now as an experiencer himself his

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primary focus is on reports of

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interaction with non-human intelligence

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i.e aliens

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more recently he's been exploring the

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use of astral travel to gain insight

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into the activities and motivations of

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these mysterious others

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now how does he do this how does he

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develop the protocol in the first place

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to manage to interact with these others

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via astral travel

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well he uses techniques he was taught as

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part of a program run by the monroe

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institute which is an organization as

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many of you might know that was begun by

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robert munroe in the 1970s following

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monroe's experience of sudden

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unpredicted and at least initially

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unwanted out-of-body experiences

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now parenthetically a person who was

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hired to help monroe to prove the

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validity of obese and even the notion

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that people can bring these about

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following certain protocols was none

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other than tom campbell

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tom campbell is probably known to many

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of you as a major teacher now that our

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reality is a simulation of sorts a

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virtual reality that is iterated by a

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consciousness system of which we are a

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part and that our local bodies are

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basically avatars within a simulation

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initially he was brought on as a

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physicist to help come up with model

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scientific models to demonstrate the

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validity of obese but eventually he

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himself started having amazing

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experiences with out-of-body experiences

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and to make a long story short he

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eventually wrote a book called my big

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toe which is short for my big theory of

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everything and that book entails not

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just these encounters he had while

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having out-of-body experiences

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but it explains how he was able to test

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various ideas about reality and he

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developed an entire model of reality

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based on

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experiments he would basically run

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while having an out of body experience

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and he had many many of these and he

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found to his surprise that he was able

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to have these almost at will

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but tom campbell and his tale is a tale

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for another time

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we will explore his experiences as well

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as his model in a subsequent podcast

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episode

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let's get back to peter whitley and his

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encounters

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now the first thing i want to point out

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here is that

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like many people we've discussed on this

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podcast over 60 episodes now

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initially when he had abduction

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experiences in other words when they

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came to him and took him up onto their

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craft while he had experiences that

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weren't traumatizing in the sense of

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they didn't do anything to him that

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seemed harmful they didn't seem

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malevolent to him

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the experiences were still terrifying

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initially that was his experience of

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them because again the ontological shock

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these beings showed up in his room in

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the middle of the night he couldn't move

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then he was taken on board a spacecraft

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etc all this was very shocking both to

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his understanding of what could happen

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in reality

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and the fact that he seemingly had no

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control so initially terror was his

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response however over time he began to

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see it differently and again we've

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talked about this progression and

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people's interpretation of their

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experiences many times it doesn't always

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happen this way but it often does and

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eventually curiosity got the better of

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him and he thought perhaps i should try

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to reach out to them perhaps i can learn

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things about them so he ended up taking

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this course from the monroe institute

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that taught him how to astrally project

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and then via a combination of what he

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learned in that course and what he also

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learned about self-hypnosis

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he actually went about recording his own

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self-hypnosis induction technique he

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would record this and then play this

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back to himself and use the

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methodologies he's learned through the

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monroe course in order to create an

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out-of-body experience which would

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enable him to astrally travel and

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contact these alien others and he didn't

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just call them down he would actually be

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able to go up into their craft

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now of course the question of in what

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sense is he going anywhere is a separate

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question and we'll get to that and it is

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fascinating and i would say perhaps it

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is the most important aspect of all

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these different kinds of cases and we

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should pay very close attention to these

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details because it points to something

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about the very fabric of reality

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again more on that later

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so what has he learned when he went via

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astral projection up into the craft and

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visited these others

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by the way he came across various

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different kinds of aliens most commonly

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the greys though although he also came

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across the mantis type and had a long

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conversation with a particular mantis

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now the greys told him when he asked

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that they are biological robots created

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biological entities but unlike us they

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do not have souls

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now he was told there are others other

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alien types that are soulful so to speak

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in other words they do have souls just

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like us

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but these particular graves do not have

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souls apparently that's what they told

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him they are engineered created but

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biological beings again this is i think

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where some of our conceptions kind of

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collapse we think of either ai robots as

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these kind of metallic plastic types or

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you have kind of organic biological

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beings with souls he's saying that these

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are some amalgam of the two they are

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biological they are organic in a way

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they do develop they do have personality

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but they don't have souls so they're not

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quite like us even though there are

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alien types that are more like us in

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that sense

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now it's also interesting that perhaps

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one of the reasons why he steered away

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from ce5 is because he has never taken

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well to meditation now for me personally

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meditation is a big part of my

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everyday practice

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but for peter meditation never really

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worked for him so he found that

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self-hypnosis

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and astral projection worked better so

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maybe that's why he opted for this

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kind of contact this kind of initiation

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rather than ce5

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as i mentioned in the beginning it's

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also important to point out that peter

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is not a kind of spiritual woo-woo kind

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of individual not a new age kind of

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individual he doesn't even consider

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himself spiritual really and he says

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that if you would have told him that he

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would be attempting astral travel at

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some point in his life five ten years

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ago he would have laughed at you he

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would have seen it as an impossibility

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it just wasn't who he was

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but once he opened his mind to this kind

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of possibility

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and following his abduction encounters

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he was willing to try this and by the

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way if you're interested the course he

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took is the monroe institute's gateway

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experience

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and he basically took this on a whim

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thought he would try something new what

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the heck we'll see what happens little

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did he know at the time that he would

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not only have a good experience with

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this course but then would be able to

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almost at will create out of body

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experiences it happened very commonly

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for him it was not a difficult

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transition that isn't to say it will be

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that way for everyone but he had a

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particular ability to facilitate these

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obes

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pretty much at will

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now of course based on things we've

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discussed before one asks is it possible

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that the contact he had with them first

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when they abducted him

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could have turned something on in his

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brain so to speak that made him more

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capable of having obese because we know

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these all come together they all overlap

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in some way there is a point of

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convergence

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perhaps but again we think of someone

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like tom campbell who we mentioned

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earlier and he also found to his

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surprise that he was surprisingly good

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at obese

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although again even in his case it turns

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out he had experiences as a child with a

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kind of non-human intelligence

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so again this is all interesting how

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this overlaps we're still trying to

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unravel that

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now let's get to what he learned what

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peter learned when he was on board the

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craft communicating with these greys

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with the mantis types etc with hybrids

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even and he remembers all this this is

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conscious memory it's not like this had

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to be drug out of him through hypnotic

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regression or something even though

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that's very useful technique for many

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people who were abducted but in his case

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because he is initiating these

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encounters he remembers all of this the

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same way that he's telling you about

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what he had for breakfast the day before

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and by the way these are classic obese

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that he's having

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now to

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create the obe what he would use is a

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combination of self-hypnosis like i

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mentioned and then he would vibrate his

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body and this is a bit too much to get

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into right here but you can learn about

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this if you want to basically he

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visualizes this energy running up and

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down his spine up and down his entire

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body and he increases the rate at which

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it's vibrating this is sort of via the

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use of imagination initially and then

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you begin to really feel it and this

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kind of loosens your astral body from

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your physical body

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and i say it's a classical obe type

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experience because when asked he said

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that yes when he would first come out of

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his body so to speak he could look down

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from the ceiling and still see his body

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lying on the bed and he would notice

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details like the fact that his foam was

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upside down the way that he had said it

565
00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:47,840
just before he tried to induce the obe

566
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:50,080
so he really did sense that he was now

567
00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:51,440
out of his body and he could actually

568
00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:54,080
look down at his physical space and see

569
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:55,840
his physical body

570
00:22:00,549 --> 00:21:58,000
from the vantage point of his astral

571
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:00,559
body which was now on the ceiling

572
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:03,120
now from there he would travel up to the

573
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:04,799
craft themselves and it's not like he

574
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:06,240
would actually picture himself going

575
00:22:10,710 --> 00:22:08,400
through the sky and after about 25

576
00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:10,720
minutes get there it's more like a

577
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:13,039
transition happened almost spontaneously

578
00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:15,120
he would go from out of his body out of

579
00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:17,600
the room and then be up in the craft

580
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:20,080
now while he was on the craft what did

581
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:21,120
he see

582
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:23,200
one thing he saw evidence of was the

583
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:26,000
hybridization process which again is

584
00:22:30,630 --> 00:22:27,760
front and center with this phenomenon

585
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:30,640
we've talked about this many many times

586
00:22:35,350 --> 00:22:32,640
what he saw at first was what he

587
00:22:37,510 --> 00:22:35,360
perceived as human nurses in a kind of

588
00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:37,520
futuristic nursery

589
00:22:40,870 --> 00:22:39,120
and in fact a grade that he was there

590
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:40,880
with asked him if he wanted to hold one

591
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:43,280
of the babies that was being attended to

592
00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:46,159
in this nursery now peter later realized

593
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:48,320
or perceived more directly that these

594
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:50,400
nurses which he had first saw as kind of

595
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:54,000
humanoid were actually also graves and

596
00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:56,000
then he saw that the nursery itself was

597
00:23:00,870 --> 00:22:58,480
a projection over top of the actual

598
00:23:02,310 --> 00:23:00,880
appearance of this part of the interior

599
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:02,320
of the craft

600
00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:04,720
what he saw then once this kind of

601
00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:07,520
projection had been removed was a sparse

602
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:10,320
area with minimal furnishings mostly

603
00:23:15,029 --> 00:23:12,480
everything was colored white

604
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:15,039
and the white light came from the walls

605
00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:17,280
themselves there was no direct source

606
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:19,360
observed as to where the light came from

607
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:20,960
it just seemed to emanate from the

608
00:23:24,789 --> 00:23:23,520
entire interior of the craft and again

609
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:24,799
that's something we've heard from people

610
00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:26,640
before as well

611
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:28,480
now regarding the fact that he initially

612
00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:30,640
perceived these nurses as more humanoid

613
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:32,720
and then later saw them as greys and the

614
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:35,039
fact that he initially saw this area as

615
00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:37,679
a nursery and only later realized it was

616
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:39,679
more sparse than that

617
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:42,559
he was told by the graves that they will

618
00:23:47,269 --> 00:23:44,480
often show us images that are

619
00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:47,279
translations so to speak to help us make

620
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:50,000
better sense of or relate to what we're

621
00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:50,880
seeing

622
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:53,360
so they told him this that they do this

623
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:56,159
for our sake so again in this kind of

624
00:24:02,710 --> 00:23:59,360
subtle reality what we see is a complex

625
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:02,720
tapestry of what's actually there and

626
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:04,799
what our minds dream up and also what

627
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:08,080
these others facilitate to show us

628
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:09,520
for our sake

629
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:11,279
and maybe for their sake too that's

630
00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:13,200
something we should consider as well

631
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:14,799
many people have questioned whether or

632
00:24:19,510 --> 00:24:16,720
not they show us things that are not

633
00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:19,520
real for their own purposes that's quite

634
00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:21,840
likely i will lean towards this being a

635
00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:24,320
kind of symbiotic arrangement ultimately

636
00:24:27,830 --> 00:24:26,240
but i'll get to that later the bottom

637
00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:27,840
line is we shouldn't necessarily take

638
00:24:33,269 --> 00:24:31,120
every element that is seen as literal

639
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:33,279
in these subtle realms there are many

640
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:36,240
nuances here many subtle layers but we

641
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:38,159
should note that when he asked to see

642
00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:40,080
things as they really are once he

643
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:41,200
realized that there was a kind of

644
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:42,960
projection going on

645
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:45,440
a kind of hologram on top of what he was

646
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:47,120
actually seeing

647
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:49,440
they did show him other images and he

648
00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:52,080
saw something that looked less familiar

649
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:54,159
less comforting in some ways

650
00:24:57,909 --> 00:24:55,919
but according to what they told him

651
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:57,919
closer to the actual reality of the

652
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:00,880
interior of the craft now something else

653
00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:03,120
he saw was another gray in a kind of

654
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:05,440
laboratory area and again he makes the

655
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:07,200
point here peter does are saying at

656
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:09,600
least it was presented like a laboratory

657
00:25:15,029 --> 00:25:12,720
area and this gray was using a long

658
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:15,039
metal rod to insert something into a

659
00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:16,240
capsule

660
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:17,679
when he was done inserting something

661
00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:19,520
into one capsule that would shoot away

662
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:20,799
and another one would appear and he

663
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:22,720
would do the same thing

664
00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:25,600
when peter asked what they were doing

665
00:25:30,149 --> 00:25:27,520
he was basically told by the grace that

666
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:30,159
this is how they manage our evolution

667
00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:32,640
that they're trying to evolve our souls

668
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:35,120
and then they do it this way now this is

669
00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:36,640
interesting because again when we think

670
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:37,520
about

671
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:39,440
the evolution of souls we think of a

672
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:42,000
more spiritual kind of process but what

673
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:43,600
they're doing here is kind of using

674
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:46,159
chemicals and organics and things like

675
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:48,400
that again maybe we shouldn't take it at

676
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:51,039
face value or maybe it's some amalgam of

677
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:52,720
the two that we don't fully understand

678
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:55,200
yet in fact many times they told him he

679
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:56,799
wouldn't really understand if even if

680
00:26:01,590 --> 00:25:58,720
they tried to explain it

681
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:01,600
but this is what he saw this gray

682
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:04,320
inserting some sort of substance via a

683
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:06,720
long metal rod into a capsule

684
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:08,960
and that this somehow was to manage our

685
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:11,520
evolution and to evolve our souls that's

686
00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:13,120
what he was actually told by these

687
00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:14,320
graves

688
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:16,240
now i already mentioned that sometimes

689
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:18,559
they kind of intimated that he wouldn't

690
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:20,159
really understand some of the answers

691
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:21,600
that they could give

692
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:23,520
many of his questions were dismissed as

693
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:26,000
being misguided or they would redirect

694
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:28,159
him to a better question a more helpful

695
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:29,679
question and that actually seems

696
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:32,000
realistic to me if they are further

697
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:33,760
along than us at least these graves that

698
00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:35,440
he was interacting with i'm not saying

699
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:37,520
they all are but if these particular

700
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:40,320
ones really are further along than us

701
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:42,320
then it makes sense that sometimes our

702
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:44,640
questions wouldn't be useful because

703
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:46,320
they would be based on assumptions that

704
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:47,520
are faulty

705
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:49,440
so for this to be a real kind of

706
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:52,080
experience i would actually expect that

707
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:53,760
this kind of scenario would happen where

708
00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:56,400
they would try to redirect us try to ask

709
00:27:01,029 --> 00:26:59,360
better questions etc but we should point

710
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:01,039
out that sometimes he just knew that the

711
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:03,039
implication was that he wouldn't

712
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:05,120
understand even if they tried to explain

713
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:07,760
it to him they were always kind and

714
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:10,080
amicable towards him but sometimes they

715
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:12,080
wouldn't answer his questions mainly

716
00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:14,159
because he didn't have the capacity to

717
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:16,080
understand the answer

718
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:17,840
now another thing one of these graves

719
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:19,200
asked him was whether or not he would

720
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:20,559
like to hold

721
00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:22,799
one of these hybrid babies and as it

722
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:26,240
turns out this hybrid baby looked 100

723
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:28,480
human to him it wasn't like what we

724
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:30,159
sometimes see which is

725
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:32,480
a child that looks partially human and

726
00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:34,480
partially something like a gray

727
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:36,799
to peter's eyes this baby looked

728
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:38,960
completely human

729
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:40,720
you wouldn't be able to tell it

730
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:42,720
apart from any other baby in a nursery

731
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:44,799
for instance and yet he was told that

732
00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:46,880
this was a hybrid baby and he sensed

733
00:27:51,510 --> 00:27:49,600
this as well which again raises the

734
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:51,520
possibility that these hybrid babies

735
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:54,080
have been introduced into our population

736
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:56,399
and are walking around amongst us and we

737
00:28:00,389 --> 00:27:58,320
are none the wiser

738
00:28:02,389 --> 00:28:00,399
now as i already mentioned peter goes

739
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:02,399
out of his way to point out that these

740
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:04,320
different graves and including the

741
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:06,320
mantis that he saw as well

742
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:09,039
all had unique personalities so again i

743
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:10,480
think that challenges some of our

744
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:11,600
assumptions

745
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:13,360
even though they are

746
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:15,120
beings without souls apparently that's

747
00:28:19,029 --> 00:28:16,480
what they told him

748
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:19,039
they are created organic biological

749
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:21,840
being some amalgamation of a robot and

750
00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:23,760
an organic being they still had

751
00:28:28,149 --> 00:28:25,520
personalities and they still like to

752
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:28,159
experience things and in fact one time

753
00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:29,760
he had a really profound experience that

754
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:32,240
was also somewhat disconcerting and

755
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:33,679
uncomfortable

756
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:35,840
where one of the graves asked him if he

757
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:37,440
would like to do a consciousness

758
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:39,600
exchange now we should note here the

759
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:41,520
grey did ask him he didn't force it on

760
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:43,600
him but peter being a curious person

761
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:44,480
agreed

762
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:46,559
said he would like to try it what he

763
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:48,640
experienced was suddenly his

764
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,120
consciousness was inside a larger

765
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:53,520
container of the gray's consciousness

766
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:56,080
and it was very foreign feeling to him

767
00:29:02,870 --> 00:28:59,600
and likewise the gray was able to embody

768
00:29:05,909 --> 00:29:02,880
his human form down on earth his

769
00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:05,919
physical form and peter also somehow

770
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:08,080
accessed this feeling was a part of that

771
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:10,320
as well and the entire experience was

772
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:12,000
very overwhelming and somewhat

773
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:14,159
uncomfortable and again we've talked

774
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:15,600
about this before

775
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:17,520
some people describe this almost like a

776
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:19,760
feeling of death because

777
00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:21,919
we are feeling separated from what we're

778
00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:24,880
used to feeling as ourselves and this

779
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:26,480
gray was actually imposing its

780
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:28,559
consciousness after asking that it could

781
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:30,720
do so we should point out but it was

782
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:31,679
then

783
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:33,840
interspersing its consciousness within

784
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:36,799
the body of peter and peter experienced

785
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:38,720
this as quite overwhelming and not

786
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:40,799
exactly comfortable and by the way he

787
00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:42,640
does point out that the grey seem to

788
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:44,799
enjoy the experience that the greys do

789
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:47,039
like to know what it's like to be human

790
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:49,760
that that's part of their curiosity

791
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:51,600
now peter goes on to describe that he

792
00:29:57,269 --> 00:29:55,120
has met five distinct alien entities as

793
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:57,279
a part of his astral projection

794
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:00,240
experiences he's met the small grays the

795
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:03,120
tallgraves and mantis type as well as

796
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:05,760
the hybrid types now interestingly one

797
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:07,440
time he met a hybrid that we should

798
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:10,159
describe here because it's very curious

799
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:12,159
peter says the hybrid looked pretty much

800
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:15,120
like a full grown ken doll and what he

801
00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:17,039
meant by that was that it was a humanoid

802
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:19,039
looking being a being that basically

803
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:22,080
looked human but it was too perfect to

804
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:24,720
be human in other words it looked like a

805
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:26,080
life-size

806
00:30:33,029 --> 00:30:29,760
fully embodied ken doll with skin so

807
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:33,039
perfect it looked unreal and he was also

808
00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:35,200
told by this being this being that

809
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:37,600
looked like a ken doll this hybrid

810
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:40,159
that while they grow up from babies into

811
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:42,240
adult form from then on they actually

812
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:44,799
don't age and this may be part of the

813
00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:46,640
engineering process that has been going

814
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:48,559
on but we should point out here that

815
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:50,799
peter was not told that these beings are

816
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:52,799
destined to be implanted on the earth

817
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:54,320
and that they plan to take over or

818
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:55,600
something like that

819
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:57,919
this being indicated that its home was

820
00:31:01,750 --> 00:31:00,000
elsewhere and we've talked about this

821
00:31:03,509 --> 00:31:01,760
many times before too

822
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:03,519
that many of the humanoid or even

823
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:04,880
human-looking beings that are

824
00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:07,440
encountered on craft aren't necessarily

825
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:09,679
from the earth nor are they intended to

826
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:11,840
go to the earth some of them live on

827
00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:13,919
other planets and some of them seemingly

828
00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:16,640
spend their entire lifetimes on board

829
00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:19,360
these craft very interesting

830
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:21,279
now something else that peter describes

831
00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:22,960
is going through a kind of virtual

832
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:26,000
reality kind of process where

833
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:28,000
he was entrained to be able to

834
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:30,720
communicate more smoothly with them and

835
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:32,880
from then on more of his communication

836
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:34,559
happened with them

837
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:36,960
one thing that the mantis showed him was

838
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:39,120
this crystal which

839
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:41,760
was in one part of the craft and peter

840
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:44,480
notices that the mantis seems to have an

841
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:47,120
almost worshipful kind of reverence for

842
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:48,880
this crystal and he says that it's

843
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:50,320
almost like the

844
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:52,559
the mantis expected him to also have

845
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:54,240
that feeling of reverence

846
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:56,080
peter's very honest and says eventually

847
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:57,840
he got bored looking at this crystal

848
00:32:02,549 --> 00:31:59,760
after about 20 minutes very interesting

849
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:02,559
these little details now apparently the

850
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:05,440
mantis says that this crystal was

851
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:08,640
created via this kind of cone

852
00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:10,640
that he has also shown

853
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:13,600
now this kind of orange or tan cone was

854
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:16,080
rever was revered to an even greater

855
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:17,039
degree

856
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:19,120
and when asked about it he was told that

857
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:22,080
this cone basically allowed for

858
00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:23,840
everything it allowed for their manner

859
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:25,760
of travel for the way they powered their

860
00:32:29,909 --> 00:32:28,080
craft everything that it seemed to

861
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:29,919
create the entire scenario that was

862
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:32,000
enabling them to be here in the first

863
00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:32,880
place

864
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:35,120
and peter asked them did you create this

865
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:37,200
this is part of your technology and they

866
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:40,080
said no we didn't create this we found

867
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:40,880
it

868
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:42,640
and very interestingly they apparently

869
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:45,760
found it eons ago in a period so far

870
00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:48,159
back in the history of that species the

871
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:49,519
mantis types

872
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:51,279
that peter couldn't even really wrap his

873
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:53,200
head around it it happened in ancient

874
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:56,640
history for them eons ago and apparently

875
00:33:00,630 --> 00:32:58,559
it took them a long long time to learn

876
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:00,640
how to use this cone without being

877
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:03,760
destroyed by it when initial creatures

878
00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:05,760
of the mantis types would actually touch

879
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:08,240
this cone they would simply dissolve

880
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:10,240
and basically over millennia we're

881
00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:12,480
talking here they eventually learned how

882
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:15,200
to use it to harness its power as a

883
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:18,320
means to develop technology etc

884
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:19,760
very interesting here and this is

885
00:33:24,149 --> 00:33:22,480
details i have not heard before

886
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:24,159
now in this interview with peter that i

887
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:26,640
listen to he says that after his 40

888
00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:28,799
experiences via astral travel

889
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:30,559
communicating with these others he

890
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:32,640
decided to take a break partially

891
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:34,399
because that last encounter where he had

892
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:36,240
the exchange of consciousness the

893
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:38,480
intermingling of consciousness was quite

894
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:40,559
overwhelming for him but he makes it

895
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:42,240
clear that he does intend to pick up the

896
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:46,159
practice again in this year 2022

897
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:48,240
now let's discuss a few takeaways that

898
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:50,159
we can pull from what we've discussed

899
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:51,200
today

900
00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:53,440
number one our understanding is always

901
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:56,480
the result of a translation process and

902
00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:58,080
depends partly on the level of

903
00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:00,559
development and the assumptions and

904
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:02,559
history of the individual being

905
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:03,919
contacted

906
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:05,679
this partly explains why there is some

907
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:07,760
discrepancy in terms of how people

908
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:10,000
experience the graves and whatnot and we

909
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:12,399
can learn more by considering the full

910
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:14,639
body of data in other words rather than

911
00:34:19,909 --> 00:34:17,440
relying too much on any one case any one

912
00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:19,919
encounter any one remembrance that

913
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:22,159
someone puts forward of encountering

914
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:24,320
these graves we should look at the full

915
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:27,280
body of data and see patterns and try to

916
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:29,040
draw conclusions from that i would say

917
00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:31,359
that's a more helpful way a more

918
00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:34,240
fruitful way to make sense of this data

919
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:36,320
now speaking of this the varied

920
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:38,639
encounters suggest there are different

921
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:41,040
groups of grays perhaps and maybe even

922
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:42,960
distinct sources for these graves we

923
00:34:47,270 --> 00:34:45,280
shouldn't assume they're all one group

924
00:34:49,109 --> 00:34:47,280
and we've been told by some experiencers

925
00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:49,119
of course and sometimes by the grays

926
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:50,720
themselves apparently

927
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:53,040
that some of these are more like suits

928
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:55,679
that some beings wear like a gray suit

929
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:58,000
they put on that looks like the gray

930
00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:00,800
alien that we're used to but they wear

931
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:03,440
this in order to be able to enter into

932
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:06,480
our dense 3d reality some of them were

933
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:08,160
told are even more like light beings

934
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:09,680
they've transcended the need for a

935
00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:11,440
physical body or maybe they never had

936
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:13,760
one to begin with and they use these

937
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:16,640
kind of suits to be able to enter into

938
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:19,599
our dance reality not all of them but

939
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:21,680
some of them so again i think we should

940
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:24,240
be careful to assume that all of this is

941
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:27,040
one group of grey aliens it most likely

942
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:28,560
is not

943
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:31,839
finally let's reflect on ce5 versus

944
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:33,520
astral projection

945
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:35,920
now let me be clear regarding these two

946
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:38,640
types of contact i don't think one is

947
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:41,040
more real than the other and if you're

948
00:35:45,990 --> 00:35:43,040
still thinking that way then you haven't

949
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:46,000
fully grasped why this is the case yet

950
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:48,000
but fear not we will go into more of

951
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:49,680
this over time

952
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:51,440
because it does go against the grain in

953
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:53,040
terms of what we've been taught and in

954
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:55,280
terms of what our senses sometimes

955
00:36:00,390 --> 00:35:58,320
deceivingly lead us to believe but here

956
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:00,400
we should remember what donald hoffman

957
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:02,560
professor of cognitive sciences at the

958
00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:05,119
university of california irvine has

959
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:08,000
posited and convincingly so

960
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:09,920
he says that our very perception of the

961
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:12,480
world is not a truthful representation

962
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:15,680
of what's actually out there but rather

963
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:18,800
more like a desktop computer interface

964
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:21,280
full of icons that help us navigate

965
00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:22,400
reality

966
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:25,119
this desktop interface is what evolution

967
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:27,599
has served up so as to serve its purpose

968
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:29,520
of keeping us alive and therefore

969
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:31,760
allowing us to reproduce

970
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:33,520
again this is a lot to wrap one's head

971
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:34,400
around

972
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:36,960
if it still feels abstract obtuse and

973
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:38,640
difficult to digest

974
00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:40,320
fear not we will be discussing and

975
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:43,040
developing these notions much more over

976
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:44,000
time

977
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:46,000
and cases like that of peter whitley

978
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:47,760
that we discussed today

979
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:50,079
help provide the background evidence to

980
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:52,480
lead us in this new direction

981
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:54,720
a direction that as i've been saying

982
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:57,040
points squarely at the very fabric of

983
00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:58,800
ultimate reality

984
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:01,440
and to clarify what i mean by that is

985
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:03,520
that our current model our current

986
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:06,079
mainstream model as to the nature of

987
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:07,599
ultimate reality

988
00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:10,560
is shown to be inadequate in fact

989
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:13,599
i would argue grossly misguided

990
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:15,599
by revelations we've been discussing

991
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:17,839
over the last 60 episodes

992
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:19,520
and i would suggest to you that the

993
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:21,599
truth behind the ufo phenomenon and

994
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:23,520
other forms of so-called high

995
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:24,720
strangeness

996
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:29,040
lie precisely there and nowhere else

997
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:30,560
and on that note

998
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:32,320
we've come to the close of another

999
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:34,240
edition of the point of convergence

1000
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:35,440
podcast

1001
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:40,800
you can do so at patreon.com

1002
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:42,880
exo academian

1003
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:45,119
but until next time friends from deep

1004
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:47,040
within the blue ridge mountains of north

1005
00:37:52,050 --> 00:37:50,720
carolina this is exo academian signing